Company Name: Saivian
Overall Ranking: 0/100
Price: $125 US dollars – Monthly Membership
Owner & President: Eric J Dalius
INTRODUCTION to Saivian and is Saivian a Scam?
*** UPDATE !!! – 13th August 2017 ***
I received this message on Sunday from a reputable source that was one of the first Saivian distributors in the U.S. It stated that as of July 31, 2017, they have CEASED OPERATIONS IN THE U.S. It’s unclear if anyone will be paid their money owed, but hopefully people WORLDWIDE and especially Asia, will be smart enough not to join this, only to be scammed also.
Attention Saivian, LLC, Members and Affiliates in the United States of America
Effective July 31, 2017
In order to support other business enterprises and universally conform business practices to the demands of emerging markets in Asia, Saivian, LLC, is being discontinued in the USA upon the following terms.
- Saivian, LLC, discontinued operations in the United States of America July 31, 2017.
- All Member and Affiliate enrollments in the United States terminated and concluded and no further Members or Affiliates will be enrolled in the USA as of July 31, 2017.
- All Saivian, LLC, Affiliate support and Membership services ceased as of July 31, 2017.
- No resident of the United States is permitted to participate as a Member or Affiliate in any of the international programs, namely Saivian International, LTD.
- Membership fees were paid on a recurring 28-day cycle for Membership benefits received, which benefits concluded July 31, 2017.
Still Don’t Think it is a Scam? Then read on….
I was introduced to Saivian in April of 2016 and am truly blown away that this Company still exists. In a nutshell, you pay $125 for a membership every 28 days which equates to being billed 13 times a year totalling $1625 US Dollars.
If you get 3 others to join and pay for the membership then the membership is free and you qualify for the Daily pay. And you get up to $250 US Dollars a month cash back on your (all types of shopping/travel) receipts.
The company claims they want the data on your receipts. This is so they can sell to 3rd party marketing partners, hence how members who bring others in can get daily pay from $5 to $3000 daily. Yes – you heard right – daily – and yes, some of the big earners are on $750/$1,000 a day.
Saivian claim they do a similar model to that of Facebook.
With Facebook, data is accumulated from likes and comments etc that you and I do on various pics, and when you signed up for a Facebook account, you may have ticked boxes of hobbies, pets or business stuff that you liked.
This is why Facebook can now sell very geo-targeted information to advertisers. You may have purchased ads yourself on Facebook utilizing this very data.
However that takes years to collect this type of information and there is no way Saivian have collected that amount of data in this short time through these receipts.
So there is no way they are even close to being able to sell geo-targeted data to these marketing partners.
It is a crock.
I was at the Elite level when I left Saivian and truly enjoyed the daily pay of $30 daily and the $250 cash back every month. What I didn’t like, was learning that these marketing partners just did not exist. That only about 8% of people were actually putting in their receipts.
So the daily pay is coming from new investors and the new memberships being paid. How could I ethically join others up when I knew a product didn’t even exist? And the fact the membership gets paid in one end and that there is enough to fund the daily pay and the small percentage who actually do lodge their receipts.
God help Eric J. Dalius if eveyone lodged their shopping receipts – But they don’t.
Sounds a bit like a ponzi scheme to me – Definition here:
Over the past few months the Company has had some changes, and the $125 membership is now called the Global Savings Plan which is different to when I started. We had a Shopping membership and a Global Travel membership so it looks like Saivian has now combined the two.
Included in the Membership is:
The Instant Savings Benefit (ISB) A Savings and discounts program from thousands of stores around the
globe which are additional savings to the cashback.
The Travel Portal and Cash Back Enhanced program.
You can pick your own stores and change them every 30 days.
Receive up to 20% cash back on your everyday shopping.
Member access to the ‘Free’ mobile app to scan your receipt purchases.
Up to 20% cash back is great and a maximum of $250 every 28 days.
It had a multi level marketing side to it using the binary model (building 2 and 3 downlines).
Daily pay was also very good if you had 3 or more paid members in your downline.
There is no contract so you can leave Saivian at any time.
Phone app is now available for receipts to be scanned and appears easy to use.
For your first Cashback you have to wait 90 days. You start, then it is 30 days of collecting receipts. You scan them onto your app on your phone, then it takes them another 30 days for them to (apparently) check that data. You get your (up to $250) cash back another 30 days later. Which you now have to turn around and generate a pass to get your money.
By then you are nearly up to paying for a 4th month of membership fees. $125 US dollars x 4 – You do the math. And this is before your very first Cashback. Then it flows monthly from that point.
No information on the Company Owners
There is no information on the promotional site about the Company owners however if you want to learn more about who is running this show then Google E.J Dalius or Eric J Dalius. He was a quiet partner from the start. I am not here to bad mouth him or anyone for that matter. There is plenty out there that have good reason of their own though, so Google him and knock yourself out.
People not getting Cashback or daily pay on Convenience Cards – they have to sell Passes:
To get your cashback or money earned they use these passes calling it the “Pass Economy”.
When I started with Saivian 20% Cashback I had to purchase a pass which had a letter and about 10 numbers on it. So when I signed up with my name and email I had to put in that pass to activate my membership.
Then when I got cashback and my daily pay, again I had to generate a “Pass” and sell it to a new member or someone else in Saivian. It was really confusing and still is by the sound of it. Alot of countries still have no way of getting their money out from an ATM, paypal or something similar.
Many times (in the short 6 months I was there), we were being promised a Circa Black/Mastercard – but did not happen. Every time they said we were getting a card there was always a problem. So why is that? I have never heard of being part of an MLM and not being able to be paid, and I have never seen anything like these passes. And it looks like they are bringing bitcoin into the equation now as well.
So the company is 1 Year and 5 months old today and most of the Saivian members do not have instant – direct access to their cash back and daily pay and still HAVE TO SELL PASSES !!!
Again it is ridiculous! And has you asking yourself is Saivian a scam? mmmm….
Support was absolutely terrible – almost like they didn’t want to be contacted. It may have improved, it definitely needed to and could not get any worse.
Corporate fell like flies. When I started there were 5 people heading the company. They all were very reputable business men in their own respective fields. And EJ Dalius seemed to be a quiet partner, mmmm…. Not one of those 5 men that headed Saivian when it started on November 1st 2015, are still there today…. Yip, they are all gone. So again you are left wondering, is Saivian a scam?
Marketing Partners is A Crock. Saivian claim the (point of sales purchases) POS data is subsidized by third part marketing partners and how you get the Cashback on your receipts. These “marketing partners” just do not exist!
WHO IT IS FOR?
Saivian can be for any shopper. To get the full benefit of the $250 cashback every 28 days you have to spend the maximum of around $1200 per 4 week cycle.
If you have not referred 3 people who are paying members, then you come away with $125 in your pocket each 4 weeks because the other $125 has to pay your monthly membership. So ideally your best bet is to get 3 people and earn a daily pay of $5.
They have company calls but these didn’t give you much. Was always hype and telling you how exciting and new things are coming. I know for a fact that many countries including Australia and New Zealand still do not even have a card to go to an ATM and get their earned money out. They have to do it with what they call the pass economy. (Refer to my Cons section for the explanation on Passes to get paid)
They have finally developed an App where you can photograph your receipts and upload the data onto that which is more convenient than scanning them at the end of the month. Again, god knows what they are doing with the receipt data.
They always threatened that if you didn’t do it correctly and in order of receipt dates etc, that your cash back redemption would be void. I must say I got paid on my 3 sets or 3 months of receipts I put in but they definitely were not all correct. That made me laugh because did they really check them?
GET 3 & IT’s FREE… PLUS EARN DAILY PAY
The daily pay was quite lucrative and they did pay into your back office every day if you qualified for it, depending on your level. You could be at $5, $20, $30, $50, $100, $150, $200, $300, $500, $750, $1,000, $2,000, $3,000 paid daily. Of course you need alot of members in your downlines to be getting the bigger paydays.
The compensation for getting 3 paid members and growing teams can be very enticing but at the end of the day, if there is no product, then how can you morally be promoting this to others. Just so wrong.
It was horrendous. We had to go through the Australian founder to get answers and that could take days. They did not have any reliable support for months, and pretty much the whole time I was there. I think it is better now. Really not sure.
What I don’t see on the Saivian site that is used for promoting is, you do not see who runs this show and who owns Saivian. Why is their no owner details? Well you wouldn’t be putting EJ Dalius in any of the Company information for your new prospect to be looking at. Again, Google him and you will see why. Is Saivian a scam? Looking like it if you research this information up, don’t you think?
$125 US Dollars every 28 days.
Or get 3 paying members in your downline and it is free.
So is Saivian a scam? It absolutely is and I know heaps of Australians and Americans who got the hell out of it because of the way the whole company and business was conducted. I was so disappointed as I thought the concept of Cashback for receipts was awesome and that they were doing something similar to Facebook, but sharing the revenue gained from the advertising partners,(unlike Facebook who are worth billions and keep it to themselves!)
And the reason I know alot of this information is a number of us had meetings with people who were “in the know.” Many a zoom meeting was held with Saivian members in leadership roles from America. We would discuss the whole marketing partner issue, the inconsistency and lack of company support and why we knew nothing about Eric J Dalius from the start.
Again, like I said it was really disappointing for all of us involved, as the concept of the cashback was a great help for the average earning household. But continuing to promote and join members up just was so wrong.
So is Saivian a Scam? A big YES and the reason I went looking for something that had reputable leaders, cost a fraction of the price, had all the tools and community support I needed – we get legitamately paid throught Paypal and I got to check it out for free.
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